Roger Clemens…PUHLEASE!!!!
June 20, 2007 amyleesspace
So…. the dumb ol Yanks get Roger Clemens back!!!
This is just annoying news to me… yes I know Amy get with the program this happened a little over a month ago.. sorry guys I just saw this on the news and was irritated!
First of all WHY would the Yankees even want him back? I just don’t understand some coaches these days! Let’s see if I was a coach here are some of the qualites that I would look for in a player.. FAITHFULNESS, skill, and a team player. ( yes there are more but my main point here is FAITHFULNESS)
Roger Clemens said he would only play for his home team (Astros) or the 2 best teams in the American League. (that being the Yankees and the Red Sox) AND where the most money is!
Here is a quote from our friend Mr Clemens..
“It feels like coming back home,” Clemens said. “You feel like you’re welcomed and you know what it’s all about.”
Pls correct me if I’m wrong but didnt Roger Clemens start out on the Red Sox, so wouldn’t the Red Sox be more like “coming back home”
BLAH BLAH BLAH Mr Clemens.. This is what I hear when I read this quote.. “I think the Yanks will win, the Yanks offered me more money so this is my home. “I think Mr Clemens lives by this motto, “Home is where the money is”
Now don’t get me wrong we all ofcourse would like to make millions of dollars to throw a ball over the plate. (Matt S does well on the LWC team, maybe he should start looking for the best team to play for)
No…. if I was a couch I want a player that is devoted to our team regardless of stats, regardless of price! Where is the heart in Mr Clemens game huh?! I think his heart is frozen over with a dollar sign!
Wow, I have suprised my self here. I am officially blogging about sports, what is happpeing here!
I just don’t get it, why would a coach want a player that is VERY clear why he plays for the teams he plays for! I WOULDN’T WANT HIM!
“We met with Randy Hendricks earlier this week and, at Randy’s request, made an offer to Roger Clemens,” the statement read. “We offered a substantial salary and suggested, for health purposes, that Clemens return on approximately the same timetable as last year. Today we learned from Randy that Clemens has signed elsewhere.”
(Mr Fancy Shmancy pants couldn’t even tell the Red Sox himself! )
Furthermore, I still say the Red Sox will beat the Yanks again just like I belive it was in ‘04. I am taking bets people, it is on!
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1. danielbalc&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Amy, Being a red sox “fan” and trashing players for taking the most money possible is retarded. If all of the players on the Red Sox went to their original team who do you think you would have left?
I’ll help you out.
This was the batting order of last nights game in parenthesis is the team that each player (according to your criteria) SHOULD be playing for…
Drew (St Louis)
Pedroia (Boston)
Ortiz (Minnesota)
Ramirez (Cleveland)
Youkilis (Boston)
Varitek (Boston)
Crisp (Cleveland)
Cora (Los Angeles)
Beckett (Florida)
3 players. That’s all you’ve got. That’s actually pretty good by MLB standards. The problem is you don’t understand baseball you only understand bias. You’re perfectly wired to be a Red Sox fan. Don’t think, don’t rationalize, just hate the yankees.
If you thought about it you’d come to the realization that the Red Sox are the exact same thing as the yankees but with much less success.
2. itsasecret2u&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Ouch, Daniel.
3. amyleesspace&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Daniel,
I am not necessarily referring to just the fact that Roger Clemens first team “should” be the Red Sox. Maybe you are misunderstanding me, Roger Clemens home team is the Astros, so should he be playing for Houston the rest of his life not necessarily.
The driving point behind my irritation is…. Roger Clemens only goes to the team he feels is going to win the world series, and/or will pay him the most money. THAT is what is retarded, there is no team loyalty at all! He is not in it for the team he is it it for Mr Clemens and Mr Clemens only.
How can you argue that this is not a fact??
Ok I will give you that the Yanks have been more successful in the PAST, winning a total of 26 World Series, with the Red Sox trailing at a very dissappointing 6 World Series wins.
However if I was to live in the PRESENT I believe if my memory is not failing me (or my ability to research on the internet) the Yanks are behind 9 and the good Ol Red Sox are in FIRST PLACE! Wait let me say that again, FIRST PLACE! Can’t really argue that, maybe this could be another successful year to add to our 6.
It would be only natural that my love for the Red Sox would be another important factor behind my irritation at Roger Clemens, we all get irritated at different things that happen to the team that we support! I may be somewhat of a recent DIE hard Red Sox fan, but we must all start somewhere right
4. amyleesspace&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:22 pm
And I must add… My post wasn’t necessarily against the Yankees it was more against Roger Clemens.
5. danielbalc&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:25 pm
I’m not arguing the fact that Roger is only about the money. I am telling you your whole team is all about the money so how can you get on him?
And why would Roger chose the Yankees if he was going to the team with the best chance to win the WS? The Yankees stink this season. No he was all about the money. 100%. JUST LIKE EVERY PLAYER ON THE RED SOX. In fact, just like every player in baseball. That’s how the game is played.
The point I’m making is that you have no genuine grounds to criticize Roger Clemens. NONE! Trust me a much better place to be is to hate BOTH Boston and New York. At least then you can rightly criticize a player for being “all about the money” AND you get to criticize the “fans” (like you) who make these crazy statements.
Do yourself a favor and come home to Padres pride.
6. Matt S&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:30 pm
There are no prizes awarded for being in 1st place in mid-June. That noise you hear is the Yankee locomotive gaining ground in a hurry. I would be worried Red Sox Nation.
Roger Clemens is doing what any smart American would do, GTM (Get The Money)! Forget loyalty, get paid!
On that note….
My agent is scouring softball leagues across the country and LWC better up their offer because I am leaving to the highest bidder.
7. amyleesspace&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Roger Clemens could have come back to the Yankees a long time ago.. He waited, why did he wait cause he could! (and he knew it)He just waited for things to unfold and went where he felt the better offer was. Yes your thinking “ofcourse he will go where the money is” That is my whole point! My point is his lack of devotion to different teams, he is a DIVA! I am not saying that there are not other players that play baseball that show the same character as RC. There ofcourse is, I have singled him out at this point and time.
I need to coach a team, and I only want devoted players. That will stick with me regardless if they don’t get the ridiculous amount of money they are requesting.
Roger Clemens went to the Yankees for 2 reasons:
1) They offered more money
2) He thinks with him on the team they will come and rise above their slow defeat this season.
You got me on the money factor, most players are in it for the money. That is where my dissappointment is, on all the sports teams I played on growing up I was taught to be a devoted player and to give all you have! I am dissappointed at the lack of devotion that Mr Clemens shows to all teams he plays for. If I was a coach I wouldn’t want him, who knows when he is going to decide to up and leave cause the grass is greener on the other side.
8. danielbalc&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:50 pm
He will leave at the end of the season and probably come back to another team mid-june next year for more money.
Amy, I honestly think the opposite of your number 2 point is true. I think he thought with the Yankees he wouldn’t HAVE to pitch in October. Players are getting paid for the regular season in the post season they get bonuses, but hardly to the degree of what he’s getting paid in the regular season. If he can come into a job for 4 months and make 20 million he’d rather do that than 5 months for 17 million. You’d do the same thing no matter what you were taught as a child.
I’m telling you Amy, you can’t win as a Red Sox fan in this argument. It’s not fun being a red sox fan. Convert. Repent. Be Saved.
9. itsasecret2u&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Oh nooooo, you didn’t…
But seriously… your amazing pitching skills would be missed. I almost got tired of hearing the umpire say “Hah!” after all those strikes on Sunday.
10. amyleesspace&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 10:23 pm
LOL.. It’s not that I don’t like the Padres, I just prefer the Red Sox.
DBalc- You are helping me prove my point, that RC is a selfish player, certainly not a player I would want on my team or representing my team. If you must be all about the money, then can’t you have a balance! Get paid decent and show team devotion! Like you actually care about the team you are playing for, more than the fact that they provide you with a paycheck.
11. danielbalc&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 10:37 pm
Amy you are only condemning EVERY Red Sox player in the process. Lets look again at last nights line up but this time with player salary in parenthesis…
Drew (14 million)
Pedroia (380,000)
Ortiz (13.25 million)
Ramirez (17+ million)
Youkilis (425,000)
Varitek (11 million)
Crisp (3.9 million)
Cora (2 million)
Beckett (6.7 million)
By contrast the entire Padres lineup COMBINED last night was making just over 18 million.
Red Sox fans are not allowed to criticize because of money. it’s just not permitted. So redeem yourself by burning all of your Red Sox gear (and burn all of Wences Stupid Yankee gear while you at it) and replacing it with Padres stuff. Redemption is costly, but you can do it.
12. danielbalc&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 10:38 pm
And Amy you DO want Clemens on your team. Every team does. It’s jealousy that is making you crazy.
13. Matt S&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Amy,
Lets see how far your loyalty takes you when a rival company offers you a 50% or more increase in your salary for the same job description.
You are asking him to do something none of us would ever do. It is just natural to follow the money!
Don’t hate just because the Yankees have more money than the Red Sox or any other team on the planet.
14. Joseph&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 11:18 pm
Once again you guys are completely missing the point.
Roger Clemens is exactly what is wrong with baseball today. He waits until the season is practically half over and then signs w/ a contender. He doesn’t have to travel w/ the team if he doesn’t want to. He is nothing that a player should be. Like Amy said, he is a diva. I would not want him on the Padres.
I do not have a problem w/ Roger “GTM” but he can act like a ball player and go to spring training with everyone else. Don’t hop on board in June just to get a ring. Do it right like every great champion has since the beginning of baseball. Have some respect for the game!
15. Matt S&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Your cutting the weed above ground. Not effective.
Get to the root of the problem.
You cannot be upset with the player, he is taking advantage of the system that is in place.
If you want to argue that it hurts the game fine, but place blame on the commissioner’s desk. He allows this.
Obviously they do not feel it hurts the game and probably enjoy the ratings spike it produces in the middle of a long season.
16. danielbalc&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 11:39 pm
I don’t like roger Clemens at all. But if he is everything that is wrong with baseball you have ONLY the Red Sox and Yankees to blame. in fact you can restrict most of your blame to the Red Sox. Yeah it was lame when only the Yankees could afford to buy every good player on the planet, but now that the red Sox are trying to spend as much as the Yanks they are just driving up the price.
As a Padres fan I can complain about Clemens. Amy as a Red Sox fan Can NOT!
Again, if Roger cared at all about getting a ring why would he pick a team 10 games out of first?
17. Joseph&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Matt,
I suppose you could blame anyone you want just to make your point. Roger is a big boy now, dont blame MLB.
Daniel,
NY has a better offense and was clearly only lacking in the rotation. You would be an idiot not to think NY will win the east. 10 games is nothing in June.
18. amyleesspace&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 11:53 pm
My whole point is… when did money become the key factor in playing a game that we love! (We as in the baseball players)
When was HEART taken out of the game?
Where did Team Loyalty go?
Matt- It is hard for me to answer your question. Part of me feels this is an unfair comparison.
First off I don’t quite think the Yanks offered RC a %50 difference in pay, but I could stand corrected here. For me to take a job that pays more money for the same tasks, if this would be beneficial for my family then ofcourse I would do it. However, RC doesn’t need more funds to provide for his family. They could eat golden chickens every night for the rest of their life and they would still have money coming out of their ears.
Since when is it other peoples fault when our character is poor. (yes I am being bold to question his character, but my opinion is based on actions of his)
A bit of a watered down example, but here goes:
I have plans to go out to eat with some friends at Outback, well another set of friends invite me to go to Ruth’s Kriss. Well I must blow off my first commitment for the Ruth’s Kriss deal because this is more money and better quality meat, and service. Who’s fault is it that I chose to blow off my first commitment, is the Ruth’s Kriss’ fault for serving such wonderful meat! No, ofcourse not it is mine!
19. itsasecret2u&hellip | June 20, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Mmm… golden chickens.
20. Wences&hellip | June 21, 2007 at 5:24 pm
As i understand my lovely wife’s point and frustration, I must take a slightly different view point.
I don’t think the issue with Clemens is a matter of heart or lack of loyalty. Roger Clemens is a winner, bottom line. He is what the baseball world calls a “big-game pitcher”. What team in baseball does not want and/or need that element on their team?
Clemens’ decision to return to the best organization in baseball is not money driven. Pride maybe, but money no. He’s Roger Clemens for goodness sake.
Roger Clemens did not return for the money, but for the championship. The last thing the Red Sox want to see is Clemens returning, the Yanks playing well and A-rod just killing it!
The bottom line… Clemens came back to win, not for the money. Any one of us would take money from the highest bidder, in most cases we would be fools if we didn’t. Besides, with a line up like the Yankees’, How can that not be enticing for him.
Go play intramurals brother
21. amyleesspace&hellip | June 21, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Your sleeping on the couch tonight MISTER!
22. amyleesspace&hellip | June 21, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Wences pls we all know RC came to the Yanks for the money. If he came to the Yanks solely for the purpose of winning, then it would have made more sense for him to go to the Red Sox (per current stats.) I do believe winning was part of his motivation but not his sole motivation.
My whole POINT to this is, I think the game of baseball as a whole has become a sad sight to see. Why would you not play the sport because you LOVE it! Your HEART is in the game! Team DEVOTION! These are my 3 main points, when did playing a sport lose these 3 characters????
Can a one of you tell me that Roger Clemens plays with his HEART, has devotion (besides ME ME ME) I am quite sure that not a one would disagree with these character flaws that are shown in his game.
“I don’t think the issue with Clemens is a matter of heart or lack of loyalty.”
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!??!!
23. amyleesspace&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Well this weekend will be a very joyous weekend for us baseball watchers. ( Ok ok I am not REALLY an avid baseball watcher, but for this very special weekend I will) The Padres vs. the Red Sox!!! Since all games were sold out (boo hoo!) I will have to buy my chip wich at 7-11 and eat it at home infront of the tv.
I wonder if Red Sox fans were limited on how many tickets they could buy to this game?
24. danielbalc&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Another characteristic found in Red Sox fans, “Ok ok I am not REALLY an avid baseball watcher, but for this very special weekend I will”
Thanks for epitomizing all of the stereotypes Amy.
25. amyleesspace&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 6:15 pm
I don’t get it…
I don’t watch every baseball game that is played on tv, I only like to watch the team I route for.. Not seeing the “Red Sox Characteristic” here.
26. amyleesspace&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 6:19 pm
I guess we will just let the games speak for themselves this weekend!
27. danielbalc&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 6:47 pm
“I don’t get it.”
exactly
28. amyleesspace&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 6:59 pm
It’s not that I don’t get the Red Sox’s ability to play the game of baseball very well…. I don’t get your comment #24.
Why would I have to watch every baseball game played on tv in order to be considered a Red Sox Fan??
If this is a subtle way to try and play on my so called ignorance for the game of baseball, it just isn’t making sense. I have played baseball and softball, I know how the basics of the game goes. Am I a Red Sox fan because I grew up in NH, yes probably. I don’t deny that fact, but am I an ignorant baseball fan because I don’t root for the Padres, NO I don’t think so.
29. danielbalc&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 9:16 pm
ok Amy, so you don’t get all hot and bothered and think that I am personally attacking you I will spell it out for you.
I am characterizing ALL Red Sox fans (especially the ones that are not natives or residents of New England) as blind and illogical bozos who lack any understanding of what is going on in Baseball and only know that they hate the Yankees. That’s it. they hate the Yankees.
They don’t love the Red Sox, they just hate the Yankees. Red Sox fans are the Oakland Raiders fans of baseball (fueled by hate).
30. amyleesspace&hellip | June 22, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Not getting hot and bothered, didn’t mean to seem as though I was. I was just trying to understand what you were saying.
I am glad you spelled it out for me, I guess that is what was needed here.
I can see where your coming from as I am reminded (by your example) how we lump ALL Raider fans into one category, psycho freaks and obnoxious! I am sure that not ALL Raider fans are as such. Which I guess would also be the same for Red Sox Fans. All are lumped into “Hating the Yanks” just because we are “wired” to think as such. I would not consider myself one of those Red Sox Fans, but I am sure that most of them are.
I don’t dislike the Yanks just because I am in favor of the Red Sox.( or solely for this reason )I don’t particularly care for how they play the game, that is all.